Belicheck

[chipshot]

I think it was spotted a little short of where it should have been but still not a first down. When he left the ground to make the catch his foot was literally just barely past the line and he was leaning forward back towards the line of scrimmage and moving in that same direction.

So at best he first touched it at the first down line, then bobbled while his momentum carried him the wrong way. You don't have possession until you touch the ground right? He didn't get possession, pass the line and then got driven back... so it wouldn't seem the forward momentum argument could be applied.


I don't think they could have won a challenge.

[JJT]

Originally Posted by y2b

looking at the replay... bobble, catch, tackled... 1st down

he brought the ball to his chest before getting took to the ground while still across the 30 yard line

It would make it all the sweeter if they really did get hosed.

[Pi.]

Originally Posted by chipshot

I think it was spotted a little short of where it should have been but still not a first down. When he left the ground to make the catch his foot was literally just barely past the line and he was leaning forward back towards the line of scrimmage and moving in that same direction.

So at best he first touched it at the first down line, then bobbled while his momentum carried him the wrong way. You don't have possession until you touch the ground right? He didn't get possession, pass the line and then got driven back... so it wouldn't seem the forward momentum argument could be applied.


I don't think they could have won a challenge.

He had possesion in the air and was contacted by a defender stopping his forward progress. At that point the officials determine where he was once he had possesion and was contacted stopping progress. You don't need feet down in that situation.

[magnus]

you need feet down to have posession.

[Piper]

Originally Posted by magnus

you need feet down to have posession.

Feet down to ensure a completion. But not forward progress.

If you jump in the air, catch the ball at the 31, get hit and land in bounds at the 29, you get the ball at the 31.

In this case, there was a short bobble as he was pushed backwards. The ref saw the bobble, and had to determine the spot where he gained control. That's the tough part.

We are talking 6 inches one way or another.

[chipshot]

Assume a receiver is running straight back towards the qb jumps catches beyond first down but lands short of first down runs and is tackled short. What's that? Not saying that's what happened, just curious

[Pi.]

Originally Posted by chipshot

Assume a receiver is running straight back towards the qb jumps catches beyond first down but lands short of first down runs and is tackled short. What's that? Not saying that's what happened, just curious

Forward progress has to be stopped by a defender.

If forward progress is stopped by a defensive hit and the receiver stays on his feet and begins losing yardage on his own, then he is no longer awarded forward progress.

[Pi.]

Originally Posted by magnus

you need feet down to have posession.

I'm saying you don't need feet down to determine the mark of the ball. The player can obtain forward progress in the air.

[Pi.]

Originally Posted by Piper

Feet down to ensure a completion. But not forward progress.

If you jump in the air, catch the ball at the 31, get hit and land in bounds at the 29, you get the ball at the 31.

In this case, there was a short bobble as he was pushed backwards. The ref saw the bobble, and had to determine the spot where he gained control. That's the tough part.

We are talking 6 inches one way or another.

The problem was the ref making the call saw the original bobble then lost sight of the play so he marked the ball where Faulk landed. From the other side of the field you can see Faulk gain control almost immediately.

He bobbled it briefly then had possession right at the marker. It would have been close.

[magnus]

Originally Posted by Pi.

I'm saying you don't need feet down to determine the mark of the ball. The player can obtain forward progress in the air.

Not if you don't have posession. He had his feet down close to the marker, but he didn't have the ball secure.


Doesn't really matter. Tell me a single time.

any time at all.

Any.

Any.

Any.
Any single time a referee has overruled his own spot.

Bold call, wasn't a first down.

[Pi.]

Originally Posted by magnus

Not if you don't have posession. He had his feet down close to the marker, but he didn't have the ball secure.


Doesn't really matter. Tell me a single time.

any time at all.

Any.

Any.

Any.
Any single time a referee has overruled his own spot.

Bold call, wasn't a first down.

Wow, you're angry after another pathetic Panther performance and probably all hopped up on 3 or 4 Belgian wheat summer ales.

I think you are confused as to position and responsibility of officials. Spots are reviewed and corrected often. You won't see the referee overrule his spot because the referee does not spot the ball.

The official that spotted the ball was a line judge. He would not be reviewing anything. The referee is the crew chief and he would be the official reviewing the play and making a decision. He generally stands behind the QB and views the field without much movement.

In this case, the line judge stepped in and made a poor spot. It may not have been a first down but it was close and he would not have been the one reviewing the spot of the ball.

I am constantly amazed by the level of football ignorance on this board.

[magnus]

He didn't have posession of the football past the first down marker, which seems to me to be something you'd need to call that a first down. But, way to try to make it about me. I don't think I was on the fucking field.

[tharan000]

Originally Posted by Pi.

Wow, you're angry after another pathetic Panther performance and probably all hopped up on 3 or 4 Belgian wheat summer ales.

LMFAO

You are totally outclassed, MagAnus.

[magnus]

Originally Posted by tharan000

LMFAO

You are totally outclassed, Magnus.

he can try to make it about me all day, but it wasn't a first down. You silly little troll.

[tharan000]

Originally Posted by magnus

You silly little troll.

Don't get your sphincter all twisted, bitch. It's not about me.

You lose again.

[Black&Blue]

WELL WHY DON'T YOU POST ANOTHER GAY YOUTUBE TO PROVE IT!?

[magnus]

oh yeah. That's right. If I respond to you you think you won. OK. Congrats! I responded to your weak attempt at...I really don't know what the fuck this is actually. Get interesting or shut the fuck up already. I'm sure there are plenty of people around you need to pretend to care whether you try to troll them.

[Pi.]

Originally Posted by magnus

he can try to make it about me all day, but it wasn't a first down. You silly little troll.

Make it about you? You made it about yourself by "challenging" me to find any example of a referee overturning his own spot of the football.

I just pointed out that you are cluless because the line judge made the spot and the referee is the only official that reviews plays.

[Piper]

Originally Posted by chipshot

Assume a receiver is running straight back towards the qb jumps catches beyond first down but lands short of first down runs and is tackled short. What's that? Not saying that's what happened, just curious

If he's going backward of his own accord, he'd be stopped where he was tackled in that situation. Smitty had one of those last night where he caught the ball at one point, but his momentum kept him going back toward the line of scrimage, and he was short of the first down.

[magnus]

Originally Posted by Pi.

Make it about you? You made it about yourself by "challenging" me to find any example of a referee overturning his own spot of the football.

I just pointed out that you are cluless because the line judge made the spot and the referee is the only official that reviews plays.

spots don't get overruled almost as a hard rule. you have to prove the official didn't judge correctly based on what he saw.

But, either way you can be unhappy about "being challenged"...it won't make it a first down.